Since we haven't gotten a response from National Geographic in regards to our request that they send us Grant Fredericks' email address we sent the following email to them today:

We haven't received any response to our previous email and we don't want to bother you but we would appreciate it if you could give us Grant Fredericks email address so we can ask him the following questions. We have his phone number but we don't want to be accused of harrassing him because he disagrees with us and our experts' opinions. If you prefer not to give us his email then could you foward our questions to him?

How did you conclude that the above water segments of the object are no larger than a bird since some of the objects when compared to known measurable objects in the background appear to be much larger than any known bird?

How can any bird make the 90+ degree turn that the objects in the video make?

If it is your claim the objects are only birds flying in a straight line formation above the water would you explain to us why portions of the objects can be seen below the surface of the water?


Why you think the objects are birds when there is no indication of any wings flapping by any of the objects and why the objects go underwater in the exact same spot?


Why does the object appears to be one long telephone pole-like object in some segments of the video if it is not one continuous object?

If it is your claim the objects were only birds flying above the water why are there indications of the water being disturbed?

If it is your claim that it is only birds swimming in a straight line formation on the surface of the water how can they swim so fast against an incoming tide and make a 90+ degree turn in a split second and at the same spot?


Why all of a sudden does a second looping object much larger than a bird emerge out of the water to the left of the first object when a moment earlier there was nothing there?


How is it possible we could see a bird from a mile and a half away with our naked eyes and think it looked large enough to be a boat?


Why do some of the black objects submerge and then reappear above the water without any reduction in their rate of speed?

How fast do you calculate the objects were moving?

These are some questions we would like him to answer for us before we will accept his opinion that the objects in our video are only birds is correct.

We have started a blog at http:/home.access4less.net/~sfseaserpent/ where he and you can go and see stills from the video that prove the object in the segment of our video analysed in your program couldn't possible be birds and is in fact one continuous object.

If you are unable to give us his email address or cannot forward these questions to him would you please let us know? Thanks, Bill and Bob Clark

About 3 months after we took the January 26, 2004 video we took some additional video from the same location. We finally transferred this new video onto a DVD and were able to examine it at a slower speed and frame by frame. The video shows a juvenile megaserpent from about 500 yards away swimming at the surface, splashing water at the seagulls and then viciously attacking some of them which were sitting on its neck and swimming near it. We originally noticed the animal because we saw what we thought was a log or a carcass of some sort floating at the surface of the water with 3 or 4 seagulls standing on it. When we saw it move and submerge we realized it was something alive so Bill began videotaping it. In several segments the animal lunges at a seagull. The animal lifts its head and neck far enough out of the water to determine that it couldn't be a seal or sea lion. There are also several other frames where a long black telephone pole-like body can be seen. We are sending copies of it to Dr. Bousfield, Clifford Paiva and Bruce Champagne for their analysis. We will provide you with further information about this video in the near future.

We watched the National Geographic program "Is it real? Monsters of the Deep" and sent an email to National Geographic in response to their expert and forensic video consultant to the FBI Grant Fredricks' statements about the objects in our video probably being just birds in formation. Here is the email.

Hi. We saw the program "Is it Real? Monsters of the Deep" last night and want to thank you for including our story about our sightings and video in it. However, as you probably expect we absolutely disagree with the conclusion expressed by Grant Fredricks that what saw on January 26, 2004 were just birds flying in formation. We think it would have been more fair and balanced for you to mention that Clifford Paiva and Dr. Harold Slusher disagree with his conclusion after doing an in-depth and detailed analysis of the entire video. They specifically eliminated birds flying in formation as a possibility of being what is seen in the looping segment of the video which was included in the program. They explained why this could not be the case in their detailed analysis which took them many months to complete. The video is also presently being analysed by marine biologist Bruce Champagne who has already completed his analysis of the looping segment. His formal and complete analysis of the video will be released in the near future. We will send you a copy of it when it is released. However, we are sending you a copy of an email he sent to us today regarding the conclusion expressed by your expert Grant Fredricks. Here it is:

Bill and Bob- sounds to me like they didn't do much analyzation of the looping segment. I specifically address the "bird" proposal in my paper. In "the loop" segment, I can see how initially the segments may look like birds in formation. However, if one observes the video carefully, the segments (or "birds") can be observed to abruptly and simultaneously reverse direction while maintaining their positions in the formation (beyond the capabilities of most large species of bird- especially sea birds). Paiva's size estimates are also not to be discounted. There are no known species of birds in the area within those dimensions. I have enlarged frames from within this sequence, and as of now, am unable to detect movement that I could associate with wing beats (but I am continuing this analysis). Because water displacement can also be observed at various points, at some point, the "birds" would also have to swim at the surface at an unlikely speed against the incoming tide. I am hoping to see the show broadcast sometime this week, and then I will try to complete my analysis asap (I may have to address the video in multiple papers). In the event I can't view the program, I may need to obtain a copy. I understand you're discouraged, but if what you have described is accurate, I am probably more dissappointed at the poor analysis of an usually well regarded organization like National Geographic. Take care, Bruce

We challenge Grant Fredricks to present his evidence that what is in our video is not connected; that they are seperate individual objects that are different size and different shape and that they are not moving in unison but moving apart from each other. We would like him to present us with his evidence which proves what is in the video acts like a bird, flies like a bird and feeds like a bird so that we can compare it with the evidence given to us by Clifford Paiva, Dr. Harold Slusher and Bruce Champagne who all have reached the conclusion that what is in our video couldn't possibily be birds flying in formation.

Please forward this email to Grant Fredricks and anyone you think would be the appropriate person to read it. If it is possible to send us Grant Fredricks' email address we would appreciate it because we want to get the documentation supporting his claim. Thanks, Bill and Bob Clark

We were surprised and disappointed that the interviews of both Tom D'Onofrio and Marlene Martin were cut from the program. We were informed by Tom that he was contacted by National Geographic and told that Marlene and his interviews were cut at the last minute in order to get the program to fit into the american TV format. It is too bad because we think if they had to cut something out they should have cut out the re-enactment of the faking of the Surgeon photo since everyone knows about it already. It would have been a lot more interesting to hear from two live witnesses who have something new to tell people. Tom said NG was going to try to include their interviews in the european version of the program so if you order a copy of the program from NG you should request the european version not the american version.

We have posted several frames from our video in the "Photos and Drawings" page. We think these frames show that the animals in our video are not "birds" as Grant Fredricks claims. Let us know what you think.

The NG program "Is it real? Monsters of the Deep" will be rebroadcast in the USA on August 7, 2005 at 6 pm ET or 3 pm PT, August 8, 2005 at 4 pm ET or 1 pm PT and on September 11, 2005 at 6 pm ET or 3 pm PT.